When television was in its middle years and receivers were analog, videocassette recorders (VCRs) were a most common accessory. People would record their favorite shows on VHS (or Beta) tapes to watch later and reuse, or in many cases for pack rats to keep in their collections.
Now, televisions are digital and at least for consumers who get their tv by cable (or from satellite), PVRs have replaced VCRs. Yet, nothing has really replaced the VHS tapes. My collection of recorded television shows stopped growing when our digital television replaced the old analog one. [That may be a good thing, but that’s another story].
Why this is so is another story! In short the television stations, but mostly the cable companies were worried that viewers would make perfect copies of their shows and collect them, or skip the commercials when playing them back. So the cable encrypted their signals and Personal Video Recorder (PVR) manufacturers only sold units that combined signal decoders with recorders and these units would be locked to particular cable operators. You can buy your PVR from your cable company, or from your local electronic big box store but still locked to particular cable companies. This is the same business model as for mobile phones.
But what if you really wanted to save a copy of a show off the PVR to play back on a computer or another device? This post is about how I went about doing it.
Let’s start by looking into the question of what is a PVR. It is digital set-top box combined with a digital video recorder. As far as I know, there are digital set-top boxes sold without recorders but digital video recorders sold by themselves are a specialty accessory. The set-top boxes by themselves are only devices that receive an encrypted video signal through broadband cable, decrypt them and pump them out to the television monitor. The PVR adds a hard drive to optionally record shows for later playback. But these recordings cannot be accessed by a computer connected to the PVR via USB, and needless to say, PVRs don’t come with DVD recorders. So even if you physically removed a PVR’s hard drive and placed it in an HD enclosure (bye bye warranty!) and connected it to a computer, you would be no further ahead, because the video files on the PVRs hard drive are encrypted, and can only be decrypted within the PVR unit.
So the only way to get around this obstacle is to play back the recorded video, but instead of pumping the video to the television, one would send the video signal to a computer where it could be recorded. But how?
My internet research identified two products that would accept a HD digital video signal and convert it to something that can be saved on a computer. These are:
- Hauppauge HD PVR (1212 or 1219):
- AverTV HD DVR (C874):
Basically these two products do the same thing.and that they even come bundled with the same recording software from Arcsoft TotalMedia Extreme. They both accept Digital Video Capture from the Component (YPbPr) output of the Set-Top PVR, and transcodes it in real time to H264 for saving on the computer.
I bought the AverTV unit because of slightly better reviews on the internet (“more solidly built”) and its slightly lower price.
Next came the installation, both hardware and software. While the hardware installation should in principle be straightforward, a slight problem arose: while the quick install guide sheet that came with the unit could bear some improvement (better illustrations), the puzzlement was why the component cable that came in the package was marked as intended for the output ports of the AverTV box rather than for the input? The guide clearly indicated ‘cable not included’ besides the input ports. Why assign the included component cables to the output ports, rather than to input? Who knows! In any case I had a second set, and I connected one end to the YPbPr output port of the PVR, and the other to the input ports of the AverTV box. I also connected a USB cable from the AverTV box to the computer.
The software, (Total Media Extreme ‘TME’) from Arcsoft, as well as the AverTV driver had already been installed on the PC. So with TME launched, I entered and started the record component of TME; the source was recognized right away to be the AverTV, and yeah, the audio came on live right away, but alas no video!
What was going on? Was the driver not installed properly? Was the AverTV unit defective? Maybe the cables were defective or not connected right? Or maybe there was no video being pumped from the Set-top box?
Well I checked and reinstalled the driver, wiggled then changed the component cable. How would I test if the AverTV hardware unit was working properly, or defective? I don’t know, but noticed that the lights on the front of the unit were yellow when all the illustrations online showed them to be blue. That was a clue, but only a clue, as I could find no guide to the meaning of the indicator colors. Anyway, I took the clue to mean that there was no video being received, but why?
Before buying the AverTV DVR, I had inspected the ports at the back of the Rogers branded and locked Cisco Explorer 8640 HD PVR. There was the HDMI port sending video to the TV, there were composite ports and S-Video ports to send signals to old fashioned analog TVs, and there was the component YPvPr ports for sending signals to HD TVs as an alternative (?) to HDMI.
I have a Pinnacle USB video capture device for capturing analog videos, and indeed it captured low res video when connected to the composite ports of the PVR. So if the composite ports worked, why not the component?
Could the output port be selected programmatically? I searched the online manual for the PVR, but nothing there showing how to bring the YPvPr ports alive.
Think of your mobile phone: typically the audio comes out of the unit itself. If you add an external speaker, the internal speaker was silenced. Maybe the same happens here! So I thought what if there was no HDMI. So I pulled the HDMI cable out, and eureka, it worked. Yay.
Now doing all that is really a pain. In my case recording requires me to pull the PVR out of a cabinet that has no open back, pull out the HDMI cable, and when I’m done reverse the process, insert the HDMI cable back into the back of the PVR. And of course, when copying PVR clips to the computer, I cannot watch anything on TV.
Clearly all this is annoying. I have no idea if there a better way to record, and specifically to send the PVR signal to the YPvPr ports without pulling the HDMI cable out. Is the PVR engineered this way for technical reasons, or simply to discourage digital recording. I really don’t know.
12 thoughts on “How to Record from your digital TV?”
Record unencrypted OTA channels
HDMI splitter to converter with component video output
I have the same issue with my BluRay player that the YPvPr ports are disabled when HDMI is connected.
Where does one buy this “HDMI splitter to converter with component video output” ?
Googling, I found this: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090510220637AAFTpzf
A $250 price range for such a device is out of the question for me!
Sorry, I confirmed that an adaptor exists, not that it was reasonably priced. Here’s one for $100 (+ shipping), http://www.hdtvsupply.com/hdmi-to-component.html#axzz2Kpc9Nym3
However all such products appear to honour any input HDMI encryption/copyright so they are unlikely to be of any use.
I think I’d still wait until I find a better price.
I don’t understand your second paragraph!. If this splitter is placed at the back of the Rogers Box OUTPUT ports, if the HDMI is unencrypted when it goes to the TV, why would the component output be encrypted?
Unless, you are thinking of using it in another manner!
I suspect the cable box output has HDCP preventing the legal conversion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content_Protection
Clearly the signal coming in from the Cable to the Cisco Explorer is encrypted, the Explorer decrypts it and send unencrypted to the TV.
When stored on the PVR, it is encrypted but when that stored recorded video is sent back out (in playback mode) to either the TV or the computer (via the AverTV DVR) it is unencrypted. What am I missing?
Why can’t the HDMI signal be encrypted by the PVR and decrypted by the TV? The encryption isn’t done to prevent one authorized at a time TV from viewing the content, but to prevent unauthorized signal snoopers from accessing it similar to how HTTPS works to allow you access to your bank/email/facebook account, but not your ISP.
I never heard of the TV decrypting signals. The TV is basically a monitor and a tuner. The cable box feeds it for channels including encrypted ones which it decrypts in real time.
I don’t follow the analogy with HTTPS.
So my second option should have been forego the digital HDMI encrypted output from the PVR and only use the analog component YPvPr unencrypted signals which can be split, one to TV and other to video capture and PC.
Why are you saying that component YPvPr is analog? As I understand it, composite is analog and component is digital. If I used the composite ports, the quality would be much worse.
I suppose if I could split the component (digital) and send it to both the TV and the PC, that would be a solution. But what device would do it? Somehow, I think a “switch” is more likely to do it than a splitter, but how?
Composite is lower quality analog as the 3 analog components are combined and then have to be separated by the receiver which degrades the signal.
Any 2-1 analog splitter will do.
Now, an interesting development.
For nearly a year, Rogers has been informing their customers of a free upgrade to their PVRs. The upgrade “Nextbox 2.0” was part of their “Whole Home PVR”, and the only thing in it for me would be the “Rogers Enhanced Guide” . I ordered the upgrade, but was not in a rush. The upgrade would be done remotely, but I was warned that it would reset my PVR and delete all the content. So I told the Rogers tech on the phone to forget about it until I watched all that was on the PVR.
To get to the point, a month or so ago, I had the upgrade performed. The recordings on the PVR were NOT deleted, and lo and behold, the upgraded software powers both the TV through the HDMI output and the AverMedia/Computer through the YPvPr output. What this all means is that I don’t have to unplug the HDMI cable any longer in order to record record to the computer from the PVR.
I suppose it also means that I can now record live TV directly on the computer, but to do so, I would have to start and stop the capture manually.